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themaster

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reluctant?
« on: April 28, 2017, 08:37:31 pm »
I am attracted to reluctant/forced stories or almost rape stories is there a place where there congregated or talked about like on reddit..?? (is there a storycode name I'm missing?) I also wonder if there's specific porn that is that way too? (that I don't know about)

Much of movie maker/porn John Fitzgerald stuff for example I'm pretty attracted too.. though I believe he's left the industry.. movies like Sisters, Undercover, Slick City etc. seem to bare that special theme etc. I like.. Also some Natasha Flade and Chimera (good for the self bondage crowd, I should think)  and Bound Honey's do bare the themes I like.. at times

« Last Edit: April 28, 2017, 08:40:44 pm by themaster »

ElectroPainLover

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Re: reluctant?
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2017, 09:02:26 pm »
Hello themaster and welcome to Gromet's Plaza Forums.

With regard to your question about reluctant/forced...the story codes for those scenarios are -- 'reluct' and/or 'n/c' -- however, technically, Gromet doesn't allow 'rape' material on his website(s). Granted, many stories come very close or border on rape...especially the legal definition of rape, of which, there are numerous stories which cross the line of rape under the legal definition.

The 'n/c or nc' storycode stands for 'non-consentual'. Whereas 'reluct' is where the sub is usually willing to try the scenario but not sure about it.

As for a 'Section', no...the stories are categorized by genre and not by 'willingness' of the participants.

Also, there are indicators for how 'intense' the story is. It is indicated by a series of 'X's'. 'X' being the most mild and 'XXX' being severe. Some even include a 'Warning' of their exreme intensity. So, if you are looking for a story which is 'hardcore & non-consensual' you would look for a storycode listing which includes '...nc; XXX'.

Here is a link to a story by Jackie Rabit which includes hardcore and n/c. The 'cons/nc' means the Dominate is consentual on the acts and the submissive is not.

http://grometsplaza.net/forum/index.php?topic=1624.msg4367#msg4367 -- "Reporter in Peril" by Jackie Rabbit

I hope this helps.
Dana
« Last Edit: April 29, 2017, 06:14:13 am by ElectroPainLover »

themaster

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Re: reluctant?
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2017, 01:15:15 am »
The 'n/c or nc' storycode stands for 'non-consentual'.
I hope this helps.
Dana
ahh thanks for that.. that helps immensely :) you'd think me coming here for years.. I'd know that..? but nope didn't :P

ElectroPainLover

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Re: reluctant?
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2017, 01:18:18 am »
You're very welcome...sometimes the most obvious is the easiest to look over  ;)

Always here to, and glad to help.

Dana

***Adendum***

I guess I would be remiss if I didn't do this... Storycodes --> http://www.grometsplaza.net/pages/storycodes.html

Dana
« Last Edit: April 29, 2017, 02:32:29 am by ElectroPainLover »

themaster

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Re: reluctant?
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2017, 05:55:45 am »
http://grometsplaza.net/forum/index.php?topic=1624.msg4367#msg4367 -- "Reporter in Peril" by Jackie Rabit
so this story should be on this page..

http://www.boundstories.net/bdauthorslr.html

but it's not..

so..is the author section just not complete/sometimes messed up?

How do I go about asking for favorite stories of the type I'm looking for..I would think that would help save some time for me too? :)

and if one wants to search gromets you have a little write up for a google search.. or...???
« Last Edit: April 29, 2017, 05:58:43 am by themaster »

ElectroPainLover

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Re: reluctant?
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2017, 06:01:49 am »
Actually...the authors are listed by the first letter of their Screen-name. For Jackie Rabbit, that would be in the 'J's'. If an author's Screen-name starts with a number...64Fordman, they are indexed by the letter of the first alpha-numeric letter...in this case 'S'.

As there are many single word names...ElectroPainLover for example, it is easiest to go with the first letter of the first word in the screen-name so not to be confusing by having some with the first letter of their screen name yet others by the first letter of their second name.

Also, Gromet is working on an update which will allow for searches by 'storycodes'. Technically it can be done now...but in the future will be much more accurate. Currently, a search searches the whole document for a match to the boolean search words and can hit words used in the story's body but not be a key element of the story. In the future, it will only search the list of storycodes in the story if using the storycode search option. Again...this is a future option that is not currently in use.

As for a search...using the "Search" link will open a box to allow you to put in the words you wish to search for. There is a bottom section which can be dropped down by a '+' (plus mark) in the lower left box by the "Check All" checkbox and you can pick which sections you wish to check. As for a Google search...I haven't done it much. I use the 'in-house' search tool when wanting to look for a particular type of story.

Hope this helps.
Dana
« Last Edit: April 29, 2017, 06:12:43 am by ElectroPainLover »

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Re: reluctant?
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2017, 08:19:24 am »
One of the things with the plaza is that there has always been a little opacity between the writer's guidelines and what gets posted. Ultimately, Gromet makes a call on what he thinks is acceptable, and the guide merely expresses his intent.

Another thing with the plaza, is that is has always categorized stories based on very broad genre headings. It's a decision with up sides and down sides.

It has never allowed key-word searches. While I don't think it would be technically that big a deal to add keywords of some kind (but what would I know?), the chore for Gromet, to assign category keywords to existing stories would be overwhelming with all the old stories there are. Perhaps with the new and energetic moderators it might be possible; but that would be up to them, and it would be greedy to ask for it.

Making the existing "story codes" searchable, seems like a purely technical task, but I've always thought that system of story-coding wouldn't help me find stories I wanted. It often fails to say much about the story's key categories and often nothing at all about tone.

It has its root in the old newsgroups, which were tightly genre focused to start with, and were originally intended to differentiate nuances of fairly "vanilla" sex stores. Gromet adds numerous code words of his own, perhaps with an eye to future searchability, but for now you have to open the story to see them, unless it's on the front page.

If you're looking for particular stories, maybe it makes more sense to ask in a genre specific section of the plaza rather than general discussion, but to be fair, the OP wasn't just asking about the plaza.

Personally, I think it's an act of mental gymnastics to have stories coded "n/c" and say that rape stories are against the guidelines. I guess that the intent was to discourage the worst kind of rape glorification stories. Some stories show rape, or molestations that don't happen to involve penetration with a penis, but which are basically worse than rape, but they have an ethical grounding that presents the act as awful, which we could say justifies choosing to show it for "artistic reasons"; the point made is anti-rape. A lot of the time, the reader is asked to identify with the victim, which maybe makes it less bad too - but some may not see that distinction as helpful.

My old story "Betrayal" presents a number of extremely nasty acts, but never gives the impression they are fun, or that the protagonist enjoys them; the clear message is that it's damaging - horribly damaging - and at the end everyone is diminished by the events that took place. It was written as a kind of protest against stories where horrible things happen as pornography. It's not written in a way that is titillating, it's written to provoke disgust.

There are plaza stories that include acts that fuzz between "n/c" and "reluct", or where considerable coercive force is applied, and they vary in ethical grounding, but there is at least some room for doubt, or the bad guys get their comeuppance, or the victims escape, or we learn they were always complicit and weren't really victims. What I mean to say, is that it's at least possible to construct an ethical or artistic apology for those questionable elements.

However, there are a few stories, very few perhaps, that I believe should never have been posted here, and which violate pretty much every writer's guideline (and then some), and in which the villains get away with their actions, and profit from them, and in some (the worst) the victims also ultimately come to accept what is done to them as normal, or forgivable. I do not think such stories are even remotely in accord with the moral tone of the plaza. Some readers will know which stories I am talking about; I'll leave it at that. While I think such stories should be allowed to be seen somewhere, I don't think they are right for the plaza, but it's not my call.

Limiting what is on the plaza is different from believing that censorship is a beneficial approach, or makes the world a better place, or humans better people.

Something the OP raises, perhaps unintentionally, is the ethical quandry surrounding fantasizing about an unethical act, as the victim, and wanting to see stories that portray that. Somebody looking from outside might view those stories as promoting unethical behaviour - extremely unpleasant and illegal behaviour - and view them as the worst kind of pornographic filth: the exact kind of thing they feel must be removed everywhere it appears, destroyed, and erased from human consciousness, (and the creators punished) as if the very ideas themselves can be erased. Such individuals, appointed, or self-appointed, are always on the lookout for examples of what they hate so they can destroy it with fire and brimstone.

It is a dangerous territory, and there are dragons there.

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Re: reluctant?
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2017, 11:18:39 am »
I had forgotten about that particular story, as it turns out a rather dark one all things considered. I don't recall if it was inspired by some horror novel I had read, or if it was the sole product of my own twisted thoughts, but if it was collectively felt that it didn't belong on the plaza I would be fine with removing it.

It has always been my intention to entertain and not offend, and if this one crosses that line I apologize, Jackie.

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Re: reluctant?
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2017, 02:50:43 pm »
I'm very interested in this topic, but have no desire to throw stones.

But I'll say that in general, bdsm (et al) is a subject matter that begs for a deep and meaningful look at ideas like consent, as well as the apparent paradox of a person *wanting* superficially negative things to happen to them.

As Amy mentioned, sometimes a good plot involves bad things happening. Villains will do awful things, which in this genre can mean nonconsent. While I have my personal barometer of how much is too much (an "I know it when I see it" kind of deal), I can see a place for it the same way people tolerate (and enjoy) deplorable acts of violence in horror movies, even though such things would be universally repugnant in real life.

But just like horror movies, indecent should acts only make it on screen (whether silver or your monitor) because of understood agreements between the creators and the audience: that such things are acknowledged as horrific, that they have no legitimized place in real society, that the subjects of these acts are victims,and that if their perpetrators prosper it is a tragedy. Both the audience AND the creators need to respect those parameters.

When stories bulldoze through those agreements, and further abandon any exploration of incredible bdsm-specific themes like consensual-nonconsent, submission, control/power, etc, that's where my issue come up. Then stories are condoning, intentionally or not, explicitly or implicitly, the acts they describe. And I don't think that's okay.

BDSM's veneer of abuse (though when done in a oft-stated safe, sane, and consensual way, is not abuse at all) makes it a tricky subject matter. Writers need to demonstrate their awareness of that.

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Re: reluctant?
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2017, 02:52:57 pm »
Regarding the consensual / nonconsensual conversation, I don’t believe the nc designation refers exclusively to rape. All of my stories carry the cons/nc story code and none involve forced sex acts, some of my stories don’t have any sex at all.

My understanding was it involved situations that didn’t end the way the submissive intended, for example, a character handcuffs and blindfolds themselves for a self-bondage game and their roommate comes home and takes the key, would be considered cons/nc even if nothing else happens in the story. I could be completely mistaken of course, which isn’t unusual.

Also, ‘Reporter in peril’ is not offensive, it is an awesome story.
« Last Edit: April 29, 2017, 03:09:00 pm by 64Fordman »

ElectroPainLover

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Re: reluctant?
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2017, 10:37:05 pm »
I had forgotten about that particular story, as it turns out a rather dark one all things considered. I don't recall if it was inspired by some horror novel I had read, or if it was the sole product of my own twisted thoughts, but if it was collectively felt that it didn't belong on the plaza I would be fine with removing it.

It has always been my intention to entertain and not offend, and if this one crosses that line I apologize, Jackie.

Hey Jackie...it wasn't anything directly about your story for it to be brought up. I merely offered it as an example of the 'nc; XXX' and it only came up because it just happened to be one that I was repairing the links on at that moment. I also thought it might be one 'themaster' would be interested in by having those storycode attributes. I, in know way, was indicating it as being 'too hardcore' or anything of the such.

I have not read the story as yet...but most assuredly will in the upcoming future (controversy sparks interest)...but it simply was on my screen, both in html format and in reading format, at the time of the question.

Please accept my apology for it being brought into a 'negative light' if it so has.

Dana

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Re: reluctant?
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2017, 11:53:13 pm »
I can easily see how that could happen Dana, and no I'm not the least bit offended. Your doing a phenomenal amount of work on all of our behalves here at the plaza, and I for one appreciate what you (and others) are doing as I have no particular skill or aptitude for such things.

 I didn't mean to come off as being oversensitive, and truth be told one could make a good argument that the story in question is dark, and that the characters that apparently come out on top have few redeeming virtues. They are ruthless and without an ounce of remorse, but our reporter knows this and still let her guard down long enough to get into a limo with a stranger while unarmed and wearing almost nothing, sealing her fate. There is probably a moral to that story in there somewhere, but all characters have a fatal flaw.

 As a side note, The "B" Grade Lingerie Model is a continuation of this story, although Nina the reporter apparently remains on permanent display, but perhaps one day yet to be thawed out.

Best wishes, Jackie.



   

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Re: reluctant?
« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2017, 06:03:48 am »
Thank you Jackie...both for your understanding and your accolades for the team. We are all working to make Gromet's Plaza the premier place to find fetish-oriented stories and the Forum the place to discuss them and our thoughts.

I'm glad you didn't feel as if I was singling you or your story out. I was honestly only using it as an example of 'storycodes' coding as was asked in the original post. It was literally 'In My Face' at the moment and I used it. However, I did not believe you were being over-sensitive and were offering to remedy a situation, which, I do not believe exists. I've offered some stories to Gromet which have yet to be published and doubt that they will be. After re-reading them...they are way too dark and, in my own opinion, 'over-the-line' to be published here.

All of our authors are very important to us/me and I do not want to chafe anybody wrongly and start unnecessary controversy. My mood of late has been somewhat dark and I should back away from chat and keep with the work at hand... :D

Dana

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Re: reluctant?
« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2017, 08:51:22 am »
ahh yah... umm.. I still didn't get my question answered.. :P

ahh.. how do I compile  "best of" story list on the forum.. something like that would be helpful to me.. because besides for coming around a long time.. I haven't seen a list like that.. and honestly my luck with gromets.. is often more "miss" then hit of finding the story types I'm looking for which are honestly not easy :P

And I will certainly submit a list of my favorite stories here sometime.. it's too bad gromets doesn't have all the great stories that got pulled from usenet.. I have 1 or 2 that I found usenet.. that aren't here I think? :P
« Last Edit: April 30, 2017, 08:53:02 am by themaster »

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Re: reluctant?
« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2017, 05:43:45 pm »
Sorry about that Themaster, conversations can sometimes meander, that’s life in an open forum.

Stories at the Plaza are categorized mainly by bondage type, clothing and location. Forced sex acts can occur in any genre.

My suggestion is to start a topic with 2 or 3 story titles you have enjoyed from here or from another story site, and ask members to discuss their favorite stories with similar story lines, you may discover stories or sites you didn’t know about.

One word of caution, if you post links here to stories from another site, make sure the stories don’t violate Gromet’s guidelines.

 

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