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Spanking under the influence
64Fordman:
How many of you, like myself, were around in BC (before cable) and the internet and remember the thrill of seeing a movie scene or magazine picture that pushed your buttons? It was like a gift sent from Hollywood just for you. It was a special gift because it was unexpected and carried no overt sexual suggestion. Unlike today where a few keystrokes can produce hundreds of photos and video, mostly porn. Remember when birthday spankings were a common party activity? Herein lies the question, does widespread access to porn alter society’s attitude toward otherwise innocent good natured fun and turn them negative? Here is my case for the influence of porn on spanking.
From the 1931 movie ‘The Cowcatcher’s Daughter’. Poor Pops, a single parent, had to resort to corporal punishment to keep his wayward daughter Marjorie in line. He spends most of the film trying to get her married off and out of his hair. The film is famous for a pre-code implied nude scene when Marjorie’s clothes are stolen while skinny-dipping in the pond and she has to walk back to the house in only her hat and boots. A two rail fence protects her modesty. At one point she comes to a gap in the fence and pauses for a moment, then swings an unseen gate closed and continues on. I wonder how many wives hands covered their husband’s eyes at that moment.
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A 1950’s era magazine ad shows how to get the wife to buy the right coffee. I can only imagine the outcry if ads like this ran today.
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Two publicity photos. No stranger to on-screen spanking or taking a pie to the face, Shirley Patterson was a B-movie actress who did westerns and appeared in several Three Stooges shorts. Also an all-grown-up Shirley Temple, this could be a publicity photo for her movie with Cary Grant ‘The Bachelor and the Bobbysoxer’.
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Lucy gets a little ‘splainin from Ricky in an episode of ‘I Love Lucy’. John Wayne teaches Maureen O’Hara who’s boss in ‘McLintock’ and Elvis does the same for the adorable Jenny Maxwell in ‘Blue Hawaii’. All from the 1960’s
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And now, two more recent examples. First, from the animated series ‘American Dad’. In the episode ‘The Missing Kink’ wife Francine discovers a good spanking provides the sexual satisfaction she craves and convinces straight-laced husband Stan she should be punished whenever their son misbehaves. Stan gets wise when Francine can’t control her sexual urge and gets the kid in trouble every chance she gets.
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From the Showtime series ‘Weeds’ Kat Foster gets a little kinky spanking that includes bondage and a ball gag.
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The above episodes from 2012 and 2013 provide a good example of how Hollywood’s depiction of spanking changed from good natured innocence to pure sexual activity. Please share your opinion pro or con.
ElectroPainLover:
Hey Fordman,
I am a BC person...though I could get some pretty good scenes every now and then when the scrambler would allow the tri-colored vertical line slip away when "ON-TV" came out. However, I digress, for me it was more of kidnapping bondage scenes over spanking. Even today, I watched "Get Smart" (the movie) and found the scene where Agent 99 is tied to be quite pleasant.
Those pictures you linked are quite nice however. It is true how much Hollywood, and Society for that matter, has turned a simple spanking into something knotty. But, in some area's, it's getting to where it is illegal to spank your own children. And heaven forbid if a man ever put his wife over his knee and gave her a couple of swats...can we say "Off to Jail"? So, there is nowhere left for spanking to go but into the bedroom or dungeon of consenting adults.
Dana -- EPL
A Pensive Pen:
Porn certainly has some effect on the sexual and gender norms in many societies. Google can bring up a slew of studies (and a bunch of moralizing ideology) that argue about exactly what that affect is.
But if you're asking whether porn brought us from those pics of Lucille Ball and John Wayne to that episode of Weeds, then probably not. At least not by itself. Gender norms have been turned on their heads from the late 1960s onwards. The women's rights movement and second wave feminism managed to reveal how a many circumstances that women faced in society and their daily lives were actually tools of marginalization and oppression. The idea that a husband could decide by himself that his wife had somehow 'misbehaved,' forcibly hold her down and strike her is part of that. That social progress is most likely that took spanking off movie and network television screens
But the sexual revolution took place alongside those events, and worked to establish how consensual sex acts, however unorthodox, could be part of a healthy person's life and that one's personal appetite for sex, even if 'strange,' was not something to suppress and be ashamed of. Porn rests on this side of the equation, and of course it's no coincidence that the production, variety, and availability of porn exploded in the 1970s. That liberation is mostly likely what put spanking into pornography (and is a major part of why this website exists today).
The point was getting society to realize two things: that involuntary, non-consensual spanking was in fact violence and a symbol of inequality, and that there really wasn't anything innocent or good-natured about it. On the other hand, voluntary and consensual spanking could be a fulfilling experience that adults had a right to engage in without feeling ashamed.
ElectroPainLover:
Please don't get me wrong as it is not my belief that innocent television spankings from early TV brought spanking into the world of porn and BDSM. I believe that spanking in this world came from the fact that it is a way to cause fairly severe pain without any real physical harm or endangerment to get a submissive to comply. The one time I actually swatted my ex's ass (jokingly) hard enough to leave a red mark made me feel real bad because I didn't think I was swinging as hard as I smacked (also, I am submissive by nature and not into giving out pain but receiving it).
There were also other, less obvious but equally degrading, demonstrations of how unequal women were treated on those old shows. The fact that if a woman wanted to open a charge account at a store they would call the husband to see if it was OK was just as degrading as the swat on the rear.
If you were to ask my son if it was ever OK to hit a woman, he would say NO! I engrained it into him as he has a little sister and I told him that since he was very young, as my father did I. I tried to use as little corporal punishment on my children as I could. In my case, it really was the case of "this is going to hurt me more than it does you". I abhored having to spank my kids.
I believe that spanking play between two consenting adults can be healthy to a relationship which both find it enjoyable, no matter who is the dominate or whether it is a switch relationship. Non-consentual spanking, or any other form of domination or represiveness, is wrong in my personal opinion and do not condone it in any manner.
As you Pensive, I believe that BDSM and fetishes grew out of the sexual explosion of the late 60's and early 70's of the free love movement and do not believe it to be solely linked to how women were treated in 40's through 70's television. I believe spanking in porn simply does what it did to me when I was growing up...gain compliance and learn not to do whatever I got spanked for again. Not to mention the humiliation of it also. Even in fetish play, spanking is meant to punish, demoralize, and humiliate the receiptient; something that should never be placed upon an unwilling person.
I hope this clarifies any unclear views I may have portrayed in my earlier post.
Dana -- EPL
A Pensive Pen:
No worries at all. I certainly wasn't trying to put words in anyone's mouth, and apologies if I gave that impression!
Like everything else, symbols and their meaning can change with time. Seeing, for example, the coffee ad that 64Fordman posted may or may not have been seen as lighthearted, innocent, funny, or whatever when it was first made. And it probably got different reactions from different people.
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