Plaza Forum
General Category => Suggestions => Topic started by: Ropemaster on February 04, 2016, 11:48:41 pm
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I have thought about a story in which the main character is a teenage boy/girl and they are in the middle of a self bondage session and their sister/brother walks in. That's all I can think of for the story plot, so, if anyone wants to use this as their storyline you are welcome to!!
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I could see that going either way. I have several siblings that if they found out then what I was doing, there reaction would be unpredictable.
One might run and tell mom and dad.
One might just leave me alone.
Other possibilities(not necessarily with my siblings) Include teaching a new way, joining in, wanting to learn from you... and all sorts of other interesting twists.
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The characters would have to be 18+ or fall foul of the Plaza's code for writers.
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It could be roommates instead of siblings
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If they are college roommates your SB enthusiast could be put on the elevator of the dorm and have an adventure or two on different floors.
OR he/she is invited to spend holiday at roomies home and gets caught by mom/dad/aunt Gladys.
If they are flat mates, SB enthusiast didn’t know roomie left his/her key under mat so friend/co-worker could enter to borrow something.
OR roomie comes home with date.
A little brainstorming for you Ropemaster, take it from here and have a go at writing your story.
Lobo hosted a big discussion on writing technique, sadly lost on the old forum. It could be worth restarting that topic if anyone is interested?
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It might work to write a small frame around the story where the (current) storyteller is clearly above the age of 18 and fondly recalling "their favorite event from long ago." I had thought of framing one of my stories for the Plaza that way.
How about these?
The untied brother or sister walks in on their tied up sister or brother and removes their release mechanism, then calls someone who is friends with the untied one and who would really enjoy having their brother or sister in that condition and invites them over.
Or the free one is unhappy with the tied one because they cheated/broke up with/didn't treat right their girlfriend/boyfriend, then takes the release mechanism and calls the ex to come over and get some revenge.
If any of this helps, have fun and go for it!
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Why would it have to be 18+ Daffy?
A couple of my stories on here are about kids exploring with their friends. There is no sexual contact between them, as I have only written about their feelings.
Obviously if you are writing about adults with kids then that is not acceptable!
If you have a story of self experimenting and have written it as consensual participation, why shouldn't that be included here?
To me that does not come across as child pornography or the like.
Emma
ps for the objectors that may get the wrong end of the stick from my reply, Gromet approved them and put them on here so he didn't object which was his right to do so, as it is his site and has to admin per the rules of the land.
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Emma,
We have all had 'feelings' way before the age of consent. Boy babies hold their penis before they can walk, apparently. My first conscious 'feelings' were around age 4, if not before.
But the rules of this site are clear !
All readers 18+. All models shown 18+. All stories 18+. No ifs, buts or maybes !
To have consensual acts, the story characters have to be the age of consent. Under 18s exploring 'feelings' is still under the age of consent. If I masturbated alone under 18, I ain't harming anyone. If I 'explored feelings' that lead to sexual arousal with an underage friend, or while I was underage, that is unlawful.
Furthermore I disagree 100% that it is OK. Who knows what perves get fun from reading the internet (no I don't mean us 18+ perves, unless it is non-consensual.)
What 18+ adults do with consenting 18+ adults is lawful, unless you break another law like being naked in public. Under 18 ain't, even if it is just 'touching'. Kids playing with each other to arouse sexual feelings, is still acts which are under 18. Frankly I am shocked and horrified at your ignorance of the law !!
I am not the first author who has been approached by 'well-meaning' people asking for stories involving under 18 characters. The polite answer I give is "I am not interested". If they are stupid enough to pursue it further, I report them and I have no qualms doing so.
If you don't know what is acceptable, you had better find out. If Gromet misses something, that is not the same as saying he approves.
In the eyes of the law, consent involves someone of adult mind, hence the age limit. The law views under 18s as not being old enough to know what consent is. So by definition, you cannot claim under 18+ is consensual.
Daffy
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I have no objections to what you say Daffy, but the admin should probably look into and removing my Lisa and the Academy stories and the Tie Up Games set of stories that have been on here months then.
These all have a youth exploring type of experience and I know there is a pretty graphic sex scene in part one of Lisa and the Academy should you wish to crack down on the laws of the land.
Emma
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Hi Emma,
A story written about or from the perspective of a minor would appear to violate the story guidelines as written, that’s why in my response to Ropemaster I used college roommates. Gromet does give some leeway when it’s clear an adult is recalling an event from the past, and since it’s his site and his rules he can choose to bend his rules when he sees fit without asking permission, hence the title Bondage Master under his name.
Fordman
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Fordman is correct in his comments and his interpretation of the story guidelines.
I also agree it is Gromet's Plaza. It is Gromet's licence at risk.
If he looses that, we all suffer, those who comply with the story guidelines and those who don't.
However, as the story copywrite is in the name of the author, the author also has responsibilities.
You cannot dump everything on Gromet's shoulders and think you have nothing to do with it, when you wrote the story in the first place.
It is not a 'crackdown', but should we in this community be advocating or encouraging stuff that is illegal or immoral ?
I stand by my comments. Offend or please.
Daffy
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This discussion has been highlighted to the moderators here on the Plaza Forum. We however have nothing to do with the Plaza content and as Gromet is away for the moment all I can say is you can be sure the matter will be looked into once he returns.
My take on it... The story writing guidelines are clearly posted:
http://grometsplaza.net/forum/index.php?topic=3.0 (http://grometsplaza.net/forum/index.php?topic=3.0)
No one wants the Plaza shut down so my advice is steer clear of subjects which blur these guidelines.
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MsBehavin, that's a good thing.
And as for the admin on here then perhaps you can read my stories I mentioned above and remove those that you deem to be unacceptable. In my earlier reply after Daffy brought it to my attention I was happy to admit what the stories were and to help out with the self policing.
I have no problems with that and thanks everyone for the pointers. I certainly would not want to have stories on here that break the rules or even cause Gromet to lose his licence to do what he does here.
My stories were written from a teenage point of view with experimentation in mind as we have all been there in that experimental mode. Whenever I sent them in to Gromet I was open and mentioned that they were possibly near the knuckle and may offend some readers, even if I write with all my characters consenting.
There are also plenty of sick people out in the world getting off on kiddie porn that maybe enhanced through stories on sites like these even if the authors never meant that to happen.
Emma
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You're all right - about Emma and her stories.
Of course we don't want to support child-abuse - that being in pictures or otherwise!
On the other hand I fully support Emma in a strive to investigate and accept youngsters trying to figure out their own sexualtiy. Did you know that in Denmark the education ministry had a cd created with material for sex-education in public schools. It was, however, retracted as some objected to the texts mentioning having sex with animals!
Legislation really is a pain in the ass! Who says having sex before being 18 is worse than having sex after? In fact danish legislation permits me to have sex with either gender when thy turn 15! Unless I'm their teacher or scout-leader or the like - if so it's 18.
I hope this debate will end out with some fair and descent outcome - not some milimeter-political correctness.
TeaSer
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TeaSer you make a good point. In different countries the law is different.
At the end of the day, it is Gromet's Plaza and it is his licence. So he sets the rules. Which I support.
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Here's the guidelines from the writers guide for the site for underage story content:
What type of stories don't you use?
Any stories containing:
- Paedophilia, sex, abuse, incest or eroticism involving children under 18.
- Underage-Descriptions or depictions of child sexual abuse or any other exploitative or offensive descriptions or depictions involving a person who is, or appears to be, a child under 18 years-
But I've seen some stories containing this?
- There are NO stories containing pedophilia, sexual abuse or eroticism involving children, if do you see any please let me know.
- The legal age for all characters on the Plaza will now be 18 years, stories that use characters younger than this will now be rejected or requested that the author rewrite those scenes.
- I will allow memories of childhood bondage to be used, as long as it's between similar age groups. And as long as it's clearly established that the adult character is remembering their early experiences and it's only a background to the main story.
No stories that are already on the plaza are going to be taken down unless by the authors request, those stories have been in the public view for a while now and I have received no objections from readers.
We have all had experiences as children/teenagers of a sexual nature, it's part of growing up and understanding our sexuality, so to deny that part where it adds background to a story would be wrong, we all want to know how the characters in a story came to the way they live now in the story, what caused them to become bondage junkies, slaves or of a different sexual orientation from the supposed accepted norm of M/F.
The age of consent varies from country to country, some it's 15, 16 or 18, just look at a map and you can see the majority of the westernized world is 16; USA is 16-18 depending where you live; Australia it's 16; Europe 14-15. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent#/media/File:Age_of_Consent_-_Global.svg)
Though you can't get a beer afterwards - you have to be 18-21 LOL
18 is the age of majority - whereby you are deemed to be an adult - though I know people a lot older that still act as kids.
Wiki describes the age of consent as:
The age of consent is the age at which a person is considered to be legally competent to consent to sexual acts, and is thus the minimum age of a person with whom another person is legally permitted to engage in sexual activity. (Wikipedia)
I have allowed stories that have content of younger characters exploring their first sexual/bondage/crossdressing experiences if that adds to the story itself, not one that is the story alone. I have changed schools to colleges in some stories to change the age content, others have been changed from 16 to 17/18.
In fact after looking at the stats for the age of consent I think i'm going to change the rules to allow content for 16 years rather than 18, let me know your thoughts on the matter.
Just so you know the site is based in Sweden & Germany, that's where the servers are, the server company allows adult content only.
"At Servage.net we believe in freedom of speech and do not censor customer content in any way. However, we do not allow illegal content on our servers - no exceptions."
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Hi Gromet,
An American politician once said, “I can’t tell you what pornography is, but I know it when I see it.” This open-to-interpretation mentality can take wide swings depending on who’s in charge and what special interest group is writing the largest checks.
In my opinion 16 or 18 does not materially impact the story, therefore keeping it 18 does not run afoul of individual country’s laws or their varying application. Google has had its problems with China over censorship for example, and although their issues are over political content it’s not hard to envision a government blocking access for other reasons, especially if elected officials think they can raise money from it or need to create a scandal to cover up another scandal.
Of course you can allow leeway as you see fit, but keeping the official guideline at 18 won’t bring unnecessary or unwanted attention. I personally doubt there are many visitors to Gromet’s Plaza who don’t return because the characters in the stories aren’t young enough, and those few readers wouldn’t find what they were looking for even with the change. Again in my opinion, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
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Personally, I think age of consent should be based on mental and emotional age, not physical. Then again, if that were the case, I know of people my age who wouldn't be considered adults. No story should involve sexual activity that includes children, but, as we've seen, the definition of "child" varies from place to place. If you have a story that feels like it might be crossing a line, or even blurring it, send it to Gromet and ask him. The Plaza is his creation, his baby, and only he knows for sure what he does and doesn't feel comfortable posting.
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I'm not a fan at all of under eighteen, call me old fashion if you must, but in a risk vs reward way of thinking I fail to see the advantage for the Plaza, Jackie.
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It sounds like you (Gromet) could justify this legally, and there's certainly an argument to be made that based on cultural differences (mainly the West is being discussed here) that 16 is an acceptable age. I personally would keep the age at 18, since ours is a subject matter with particularly high involvement with the discussion of and reflection upon acceptable sexual behavior, and some boundaries should not only be left intact, but given sufficient berth.
But such an age restriction is still, as we're discussing it here, a little arbitrary. So to further the discussion I think some questions are worth asking:
- Why this, why now?
- Is there a crowd of stories featuring 16-17 year old characters flooding the submission queue?
- What would the new stories, the ones that would have been rejected before but wouldn't under the new rule, bring to the table that can't be accomplished otherwise? The default answer that we can now have more coming-of-age, sexual awakening stories is not especially convincing to me, as I see no specific reason that the character of such a story MUST be 16 or 17.
- What are the risks of such a change? Legal risks, human risks, moral risks, risks to reputation, etc. If we are to discuss what might be gained from this change, we must also discuss what might be lost. If any of the writers here have not received creepy or unsettling comments, publicly or privately, in response to posting their stories online, I have. I personally make sure to think not just how I might respond to my stories, but how others might engage with them as well. Which is why I personally won't ever grapple with the 18 age line, even with a clearly villainous character.
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In my opinion the law (of the country where the server is, but are we sure the admin doesn't risk anything from the authorities in HIS country?) should be respected without taking any chances.
Maybe a majority of people here is uncomfortable with any under 18 material, too.
Still, I think we should be judged by what we actually do and not by our fantasies. So, any person of legal age should read and watch wathever material that is produced without breaking anyone's rights (obviously, porn with underage actors can't be in this cathegory).
Anyway there're places (elsewhere) where this kind of stories are posted.
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Please let me raise my hand voting for a continuation of the 18 year limit - unless.....
There may be good reasons to include sexual descriptions of minors (and for those I still thing 15 is appropriate) but only for the purpose Gromet mentioned.
Unless of course someone recollects on pure abuse in the childhood - and if so it shall be clear as an abuse! And I don't advocate for such content (in fact it would ruin my reading).
TeaSer